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So I have set up a new 60 gallon for fronts. I know this is small I'm currently building a 180 which will be done well before needed. Anyways. I set up the tank on Feb 17, added bacteria for startup and proper chemicals to treat new water. I put 4 goldfish to begin the cycle. Then got rid of them and added 6 brundI. My ammonia levels haven't seem to gone down yet and are still raising. They were. 25 until I added the fronts. Now steady raise to1.0- 2.0. Is this normal? 10-20 water changes daily as per fish breeders I bought them from. Running 2 filters. One aqua clear mounted for 70g, and a marineland biowheel penguin 350 75g. Help please :(

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welcome. sounds like you're in some hot water atm. lets get straight to the point. first off, if you have another tank that is cycled or know someone who does who has room for your fish, you should move your fronts there immediately. if this is not an option go straight to the store and get a bottle of Prime. it will be with the water conditioners. it will neutralize ammonia. your test strips will still read that there is ammonia there but it will be harmful. follow the directions on the bottle. keep in mind that even after you do this you are still not out of the woods. you may already know this but after ammonia spikes in the cycling of a fist tank comes a nitrite spike that is equally or deadly to fish. again the prime will help. follow the directions on the bottle. i believe you have to use 6 times the previous amount. but you should still move your fish to another tank temporarily if possible while your tank cycles. also if you know anyone who is using the same kind of filter as you have ask them if you can swap filter cartrages with them. their old scummy filter from an established tank will have the beneficial bacteria you need to help in the cycling process. do these things right away and i'll ask some follow up questions when i get off work to try to figure out why this all happened. :luck

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First of all thanks so much for taking the time to read my post and help with my problem! As soon as I read your reply I ran to the fish store and got a bottle of prime and ammonia remover inserts for my filter. I did a 20% water change and added the 5times the normal dose as per bottle instructions. As for moving my fronts of getting a filter, the only other person I know who has anything aquatic would be turtles, could I use his submersible filter? As per the moving of the fish I don't have anyone or anywhere to move them they are here for the ride. I will post new ammonia levels in the morning.

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On a side note, will adding prime slow or reverse my cycle?

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Prime may or may not increase the time it takes to cycle your tank. Im not really sure. I do know a guy who was in the same boat as you who added it every couple of days for 8 weeks with weekly water changes and did not lose any fish. This may have been excessive but it worked for him. I myself used it for a nitrite spike in my tropheus tank successfully. I cycled that tank for 3 weeks and thought I was in the clear since I used water and a sponge filter from another tank. I was wrong and prime saved the day and my trophs. The only pit fall to prime......other than the smell is that your test readings will still read that ammonia and nitrite are there because they are but it is neutralized and is temporarily safe. Just keep adding it daily or every other day until tests read 0.

I wouldn't add any filter media or water from a turtle tank because of potential bacterial problems. Your lfs may be able to help out with a old filter cartridge though. Just make sure the fish in the tank it comes from are healthy.

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good advice here!

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Ok I will continue with the daily 10-20% water change and how often could I use prime safely coming from a person who has some experience using it in an emergency situation?

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i have never had any problems with using prime frequently. not saying it's not possible, but it has never been a problem for me. it's first and foremost a water conditioner or dechlorinator. everything else is a bonus. when i had a nitrite spike in my tropheus tank i dosed it every day for a few days, and then every other day until my nitrite tests read 0. this took a little over a week. my friend dosed his tank every other day for 8 weeks with no issues either. not sure how often he did water changes but i just did them every week like i normally do. i would advise you to continue to use prime or sea chem safe as a water conditioner as well because it will save you a lot of money and then you will always have it on hand in case of another emergency down the line like this one. i actually switched to sea chem safe a few years ago because it is much cheaper. it's the powder form of prime that you have to mix up before each water change. same thing but without the stabilizers. a little more work but an even bigger savings. i have to order it online since no stores in my area carry it.

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Ok sounds good, by using it do you mean the normal 5ml cap to treat 50g or were you doing the 5times amoun? On a side noto I've found someone with 2 tanks to get beneficial bacteria today. How should I go about it just squeeze out her sponges and add the water to my tank?

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awesome! yes. squeeze out the sponges and add it to your tank and if they'll let you get one of their old filter cartridges and add it to your filter. you may have to buy them a new one but they're not that expensive. sounds crazy to put a bunch of dirty stuff in your tank but it really is the best way to get the beneficial bacteria you need to cycle your tank. it's gonna look ugly for a little while but it will clear up in a few hours.

as for the prime. i was using 5x the amount for my nitrite spike. you do go through a lot of prime this way but it's cheap compared to your fronts. i don't think you have to use that much for an ammonia spike though. double check your bottle.

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Ok awesome I've done that and have already noticed a decrease in ammonia level. Will keep an update on the situation. Thanks again for all your help

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Good deal. Now that the ammonia is going down nitrite should start to rise. Keep an eye out for this. You're still midway through the cycle. Hopefully you're on the right track though. Keep an eye on your fronts for signs of stress. Let us know if any white spots or anything else troubling. We'll try to help you out as much as we can. Keep us posted.

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http://youtu.be/8vspGGM7aJs
Was taken last night, I think they look fine, a bit aggressive but fine, what do you think?

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they look to be a bit feisty but that could be them figuring out the pecking order. otherwise they look fine as far as i can tell. just keep a look out for white spots that would indicate ich, fuzzy white patches which would be fungus, or heavy breathing which could be from a number of causes. keep an eye on those mbuna. they are a lot more aggressive than fronts and can nip them to pieces or chase them to death. i'm guessing you plan to separate them when you get your big tank up and running?

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No I never thought of that. In most of the fish stores with display african tanks they have lots of fronts and those electric yellow labs together. Mind you prob a 5-1 ratio front-lab. I thought they would be fine together

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