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 Post subject: Why are my plecos disappearing?
PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:47 am 
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So I've had my 150gal stocked w/ juvie Fronts and growing upside down catfishes. Also in it are Calvus, Comps, Leleupi, and Clown loaches.

During the 2 yrs, I have added 2" plecos in the tank and after a few months they disappear. No remants or old skeleton. Gone.

Now, i have transplanted all my fish and gotten rid of the growing 4" upside-down synodontis cats. Could they be doing the killng? Which fishes are killing them? They were bushy nose plecos, both regular and albino variant.


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update: my new tank is 225 gal. My fronts are really shy at 4-5". And leleupi and calvus at 3". Clowns are 3.5". Lots of rocks, and fed algae discs.


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So I've had my 150gal stocked w/ juvie Fronts and growing upside down catfishes. Also in it are Calvus, Comps, Leleupi, and Clown loaches.

During the 2 yrs, I have added 2" plecos in the tank and after a few months they disappear. No remants or old skeleton. Gone.

Now, i have transplanted all my fish and gotten rid of the growing 4" upside-down synodontis cats. Could they be doing the killng? Which fishes are killing them? They were bushy nose plecos, both regular and albino variant.



I've had a similar situation happen to me. Moved all the fish and took all the stuff out but no pleco or bones. Crazy!!

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could be a couple things.

1. Frontosa are eating them. At 4-5 inches a frontosa would not have a problem swallowing a 3 inch bushynose, then again, it could also get stuck in its throat and kill the frontosa.
2. They are not getting enough food. All the other fish get the food before the bushynose gets anything.
3. If you are feeding a high meat diet, then it could eventually kill off the bushynose. Bushynose are plant eaters, as such they have a very long digestive tract. Meat eaters have a very short digestive tract. The two easy ways taxonomists check out for speciation is tooth structure and digestive tract length. this will help tell them what they eat, and what genus to place them in.
Plant eaters need a long digestive tract to break down all the cellulose to obtain nutrition. If you feed a plant eater meat, it pretty much is slowly rotting as it moves along. Meat is OK now and then for plant eaters, but if its an every day thing, it could be problematic.
I don't know this for sure with bristlenose, but wood eaters like Royal's it reallly can be an issue.
thats all i got.

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Thanks, TR6.

So i have added several thin driftwood pieces for my 3 bushynose (2.5"). Will they like this? I am also eyeing this 7" watermelon pleco, 3" orange seam and 3" vampire pleco on craigslist. Good idea to add this in tank now that I have driftwood. I can also consistently add zucchini in tank for food. Ok to add?


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Vampires look great but they are not super tolerant of higher ph needed for frontosa. Vampires are a fairly sensitive pleco.
Orange seam is a dwarf, maxes out at 4-5 inches, a little small for a frontosa adult tank.
watermelons are royals, and they will get large enough, and they look cool, but they must have drift wood, and i'd not keep the ph above 7.4.

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here is a list i made up.
they all get the right size, but will always be a pH issue. Really only the common plecos are what i would consider bullet proof pH wise.
The scarlets L25/L24 are fairly tough, but they are pricey.

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forget about it-try an armoured pleco.they get huuuge! :cheers:


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