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 Post subject: getting my first "upper class" pleco
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Ok, i will be seting up a pleco breeding/show tank around 40 gallons.things I am looking for: really nice looking, at least semi rare, and be apealing to the common fish owner. I dont want them to be to sensetive but i can handle semi picky fish. I have owned plecos but nothing too fancy. I have never really tryed to breed them, but I have been reading a lot about plecos and i want to get into the pleco side of the hobby. I have not bought a tank yet as i want to keep my options open for plecos, I do believe i will be running a small sump as filtration along with an other external filter which i have not decided on. What i am asking for is list or suggestions of plecos that you feel would go well with what i have described.

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start of with long fin calico bushynose.
very easy to breed, and still somewhat of a demand for them.
next would be long fin albino, or long fin albino black eyes.

those are all easy to breed, and still a bit of a market for them, and look cool.

if you are looking to breed, best bet is Hypancistrus, anctistrus or Peckoltia species.

all other species are rarely bred.

all depends how much you want to spend.

for these types you can spend 20 to 350 bucks each.

good ones that don't cost too much, relative term, are L333 and L66 which are hypancistrus, they run about 30 to 50 each for adults.

Peckoltia, the best looking ones are L134 and run about the same price.
there is a guy on craigslist.org in SF selling some adults right now for a fair price.
where you live at?
place in LA has a fair selection.
or ship in from SNOOK on aquabid he brings in alot of types for a fair price.
Don't waste your time growing out fry.
takes too long, and you won't save alot of money vs. wild adults ready to breed now.

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just go to aquabid and type in ancistrus, hypancistrus and peckoltia and see what you like within your price range, then get back to me and i will tell you what i suggest.

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all right


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There are 600 plus types of plecos.

100 of them can be bred and have good market value.

do a little research on aquabid for prices.

i have also wrote on plenty of plecos in this "bottom feeders" section that people can research.
read around, you will find plenty of information to get you started.

I can then answer specific questions you may have.

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I was looking around and found this http://www.aquabid.com/cgi-bin/auction/ ... 1262536538 from what i have been reading 1-260 are expensive plecos are'nt they?


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a breeding pair a few months ago went for $500, but of course the value was in the female.

most plecs that are caught are males, so they are 10x more available than females.

a single male 260 is worth 50-100.
3 months ago i bought 2 for 40 each.

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All right so to what I am understanding the value of the plecos are in the females sense they are harder to catch, and there for theres less of them correct?


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yes.

when they go diving, the males are stuck in caves, they won't come out, so they are easily caught.

females take off soon as they see something.
very, very hard to catch females.

though i never suggest to people to buy fry since they take along time to grow for many species, in plecos it is somewhat the way to go, at least with the expensive wild types.
if you buy fry, there is a good chance that 50% will be females.

if you buy wild plecos, that is very difficult to find.
be very cautious when buying wild plecos, other than bushynose, as i'd doubt the sex ratio.
most wild hypancistrus and peckoltia will be males.

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Heres a list of the plecos I like:
L-047 mango plecos
L-018 Gold Nugget Pleco
L-014 Sunshine Pleco
L-183 Starlight Bristlenose/White Seam Pleco
L-282 Angelicus Pleco
L-200 Green Phontom
L-128 Blue Phontom

They all seem to be around the same price exept for the L183. how much do L-183s go for?


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do you want to breed or not?

as i stated in my first post, if you want to breed, stick with hypancistrus, ancistrus, peckoltia.
my thoughts have not changed in that matter, but i will go over your choices anyway.


47 not bred, price about 30 bucks for subadults.

18 not bred, price about 20 each adults

14, bred few times. 30 for 3 inch juvie, 100 for adults at 10 inch.

183, been bred, adults about 30 each.

282 not been bred, about 30 for juvies, 100 for l0 inch adults.

200 and 128 rarely bred in homes. adults are about 40 bucks, even if bred, the low price of wild adults makes the fry near valueless.

if you are wanting to breed to sell fry, all these are difficult choices as they have been rarely bred.

of your choices 183, which is an ancistrus is your best bet.
not difficult and fry will get you about 15 bucks each.

None of these plecos are rare either.
so not likely the price will go up.

if you want to breed, your best bet is ancistrus, hypancistrus, and peckoltia.
they have been bred in captivity.

hypancistrus are also banned from export from brazil, so they will only increase in value.
they would be the top choice.

the plecos you chose look good, so if you plan on importing large numbers, they are types you could sell as an importer.
just won't be able to breed them, nor would it be profitable if you became the first.

if you have plans to breed to sell, i suggest you do further research on hypancistrus, ancistrus, or peckoltia.
if you are simply looking for good looking fish, any of your choices look good.

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I now hate plecos... All right looks like Im not ready and have to go read about them some more before trying to pic more. Yes, i want to breed them and sell fry( would be nice if the fry would be woth a bit too). Thank you for all your info so far I'll keep on trying.


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Not my intention to get someone to hate plecos, but some plecos just have not been bred, or are super hard to breed.
Others, due to the low cost of wilds, make breeding them for sale not worth it.

Of course breeding just for the coolness is a different thing.

If one is wanting to make a bit of money to help your hobby you need to think about a couple of fish.

bushynose, yeah they are cheap, but they have alot of fry, so you can make a little bit of money even if only selling them for 50 cents each.

the next are species that are hard to find or in demand.
these are plecos like Zebra and other hypancistrus.
a zebra fry will get you 75 to 100 bucks, though they won't spawn nearly as much as bushynose.
most hypancistrus and peckoltia will give you fry worth 10+, so these are the best 3 choices.
Ancistrus, Hypancistrus and Peckoltia, if you want to breed something that CAN be bred, and be able to sell some.

Other than bushynose though, plecos are not that easy to breed, or will they sell as easy as most cichlids or fancy livebearers.

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I only hated plecos for the moment really confusing at first. So now that i had a lot of time to read up on them i have come a crass a few and now i am thinking of getting 3 at one time. This is for several reasons i could not do what i want with a single pleco I wanted too much, basicly a pleco that looked like stallion that bred like a rabbit and was as rare as a trip to space. So i want 3 plecos: 1 for its looks, an other for just being able to breed it, and other for a bit of rareness.

For looks i will be going with L 47 i like it the most out all of them I will also try to breed it just for the joy it. I know it will not happen but just a little hope wont hurt.

For Breeding i Will go with the long fin albino bristlenose pleco.

For my 3rd pleco I have not diced yet I was thinking about these:
L066
L100
L128
L173
L213
I also want to breed these plecos but sense i just started looking at plecos i dont really know how rare they are.

Hope i came a long way from my original post (which I was surprised you were able to read I wasn't able to). Thanks for all the help, and let me know what you think about this.


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For looks, L47 not a bad choice, gets big about 11 inches.

For breeding, Albino long fin bushynose not a bad choice, Calico long fins will sell for a slight better price.

for your "3rd" pleco,

L066-tiger, fairly easy to breed, fry will sell about $20. Value should go up since its banned from export.

L100- not a common bushynose, should be fairly easy to breed.

L128- blue phantom, hard to breed, looks cool though.

L173- hard to find, fairly easy to breed. fry should get you about $40 each. Great Hypancistrus if you can locate them.

L213- a bushynose, not super common, should breed like any other bushynose.

your 100 and 213 are in the same class both Ancistrus, i'd select 183 over them. its a better looking black bushnose with brighter spots.

your 66 and 173 are similar Hypancistrus. both excellent choices, i'd pick 173 over 66, but very hard to find, 66 are easy to find.

128, I'd actually select over your DISPLAY pleco, better looking fish, and has potential to be bred, course not as big though, only reaching about 7 inches.
For a big display pleco, that has also been rarely bred, i'd select L14 from your earlier posts.
beautiful big fish, maybe the most beautiful big pleco, and has been bred a few times at least.

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