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 Post subject: Fish smell.
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If you have rare and expensive fish, it would be in your best interest to break them up and put them in more then one tank, not put them all in the same tank, even if the tank and filtration can handle the bioload.
that way, if anything happens, you don't lose the entire rare group.
thats all i'm going to say about that.
due to the section i'm posting, i think people can figure it out.

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Oh No!!, what has happened??

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Bummer Tr6, keeping more than one tank is a great idea, thanks for the heads up.


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So very very sorry for your loss :(

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and even then, things can be airborn. I had the discus plague after ordering some discus from Malaysia and the quarantine aquarium was in the same room. Even though I was not sharing anything and was washing my hands with alchol before toutching either tank, all my old discus got very sick. The new ones were quite ok with only one showing minor sign of the bacterial infection. I nearly lost all my old discus and the only thing that saved them was permanganate potassium as this stuff is a very broad spectrum desinfectant that kill all bacterias and parasites. Wierd thing about your subject title is that my aquarium and fish smelled awfull when I had that plague. It was such a bad smell that I had to hold my breath to work near the aquarium or I would throw up.

So I learned that it is best to even separate the tank in different room as a common fish room can mean big trouble.

What hapened to your fish? Was it an expensive pleco?

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If you have rare and expensive fish, it would be in your best interest to break them up and put them in more then one tank, not put them all in the same tank, even if the tank and filtration can handle the bioload.
that way, if anything happens, you don't lose the entire rare group.
thats all i'm going to say about that.
due to the section i'm posting, i think people can figure it out.


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13x adult zebra colony.
L260 queen pair.
L174 panther trio.

I can replace the zebra.
kind of hard to replace the queens but they are out there for a price.
As far as i know, only 1 other person has claimed to own L174, and i was offered more than zebra rate for mine by a couple of people.
I can't replace the L174 for any money, They are just not available.

So now i put 5 Victorians in that 80 gallon 5 footer.
I'm not exactly Hypancistrus free, i forgot i had a L66, a L136b and a pair of L129 as strays in a couple other tanks.

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man Tr6 I have took some hits, but WoW. I feel bad because all of them are a little harder to come buy. I lost my queens and L333's about 3 years ago and I gave up on them since. I only recently wanted to get some more, but I am sticker shock on what some pleco's are going for. I know there's nothing we can say to help you feel better, but your advice about keeping groups seperated is good advice and you will help save others from loosing large groups of fish. I will keep my eye out for you on some new one's.


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Ouch!!!! way worse then I expected. I'm at a loss for words!

Glad your looking on the positive side as much as possible.

I'm so sorry,
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Ouch indeed- very sorry to hear that!

What caused the loss if you dont mind me asking?

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Sorry for your loss.... :(

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Sorry to hear TR, I came home to a whole reef tank full of dead fish and corals so have a pretty good idea how you feeling.


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I also know that feeling all too well, sorry to hear it TR6.


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I should have known better.
Many breeders have lost pricey groups or a champion line and they did not have a backup.
30 years ago i was working on a near solid black guppy, only now have the breeders equaled and the tank crashed and i lost the whole group.
it sucks to lose fish no matter the cost.

what happened, i don't know.
i did a 50% water change which i have forever been against, due to if the water company makes a drastic change, or some contaminant in the water, they fish can't handle that kind of change.
a 25% water change, any problems, the fish can handle it.
so with the huge water change, either there was a big water chemistry change (we did have a huge rain), maybe i shocked them, maybe i forgot the PRIME, who knows.
I should have had the zebra in 3 tanks.
I only had a pair of queens and a trio of L174, but they should have had a dedicated tank.

So, if you have a rare, expensive fish, or you are working on a champion line, think about keeping them in more then one tank.

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Sorry to hear this. Always hard to lose fish. :(


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another possibility if you don't age the water is that tiny air bubble can be harmfull in the fish gill. It will show as tiny air bubble building up on glass and stuff in the aquarium and it is too much dissolve oxygen in the water. It never hapened to me but I have heard of people loosing all their discus or having lots of problems with fish scratchign their gills after major water change when water was not aged, even if they used Prime.

Another good step I always take is to take the PH and water hardness before doing a water change and then match the new water.

From week to week though, my water really does not change much. I do 50% water change each week but I age my water in a big barril and aerate it, and I also put Prime in it. I check the PH and water hardness and always match that.

The only thing that could kill my fish would be if the water company would put some dangerous chimical in the water, like some desinfectant and before I was using a RO unit for my discus so everything was filtered out and there was 0% risk of this hapening, but with the frontosas I do not use RO water so this is a risk.

I am thinking of buying a charbon filter to filter out the tap water before putting it in the aging barril, so that any dangerous chimical would be absorbed by the carbon, then I would be pretty safe.

I have always been paranoid about doing water change because I have heard so many stories like yours. It would require a really big difference in PH or hardness to kill fish, so I would think more on the dangerous chimical or too much oxygen dissolved in the water in the form of gas but that's only my guess.

Again really sorry about your loss :(


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I should have known better.
Many breeders have lost pricey groups or a champion line and they did not have a backup.
30 years ago i was working on a near solid black guppy, only now have the breeders equaled and the tank crashed and i lost the whole group.
it sucks to lose fish no matter the cost.

what happened, i don't know.
i did a 50% water change which i have forever been against, due to if the water company makes a drastic change, or some contaminant in the water, they fish can't handle that kind of change.
a 25% water change, any problems, the fish can handle it.
so with the huge water change, either there was a big water chemistry change (we did have a huge rain), maybe i shocked them, maybe i forgot the PRIME, who knows.
I should have had the zebra in 3 tanks.
I only had a pair of queens and a trio of L174, but they should have had a dedicated tank.

So, if you have a rare, expensive fish, or you are working on a champion line, think about keeping them in more then one tank.


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