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Zebra for the most part are nearly identical.
if you find one that has wavy lines, its actually worth more then the typical ones that has straight lines.
If you find one that has thin black lines, instead of thick black lines, also worth more.

the main thing to look for is the nose.
they get a condition called bullnose, pretty much look like the nose is snubbed, or smashed in.
avoid those.
the other thing is when buying fry, don't buy fry less then 1.25 inch, even though people sell them.
zebra are tough, but if they are going to die, its when they are smaller then 1.25 inch.

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3x Wild L066 arrived today! 3"+ not sure of the sex, 2 of them seem to have a slightly smaller head but not by much. I have research to do on sexing l066

The L066 breeding trio I ordered are supposed to ship Monday. After I get them I will know for sure how many males and females I have.

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1. females pectoral fins are more curved when looking at from above. Males are more straight.

2. males will have more spines on fins and body.

3. females heads are narrow, more pointy snout, males are broader, with less of a sharp angle.

4. body.. males are more triangular, females will be a bit rounder from above. Unless you have a overfed male, then they will also be rounder.

5. males tend to have sharper coloration, females slightly more drab.

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Here are the fish I have collected so far. I cant find my pictures of the L411 so I will take some.

The L-333 are too small to sex so I just dropped them in a tank with the L-411. Maybe they are 1" - 1.5"

The L-066 came wild from 2 different sources. I know what I think the sex's are for each trio but I would like to hear from you guys what you think. Thanks for helping me out. Only one of the trios were sent as a trio 1m/2f the second trio was sent unsex'd

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L66.
First 2 pictures looks like 2 males and 1 female.
the 2 fish on the right look like males.
the left fish has a broader body like a female, but the 2 on the right have narrow heads like a female, but narrow bodies like a male.
You would have to look closely and see who has the most hairy bodies.

the second group looks like 1 male and 2 females or again 2males and a female.

the far left fish is brighter, which somewhat indicates male.
the fish on the far right has a rounder body and narrow head which indicates female.
the middle fish has a wider head like a male, and also a narrow body like a male.

Really these pix are a bit on the blurry side.
put some caves in there and see who claims them.
males often HAVE to have a cave. Females will often hang out in the open.
check for hairy bodies.

Also with plecos you want to keep the heater closer to the top of the water column.
Many zebra people freak out and think the baby plecos will burn themself on the heater. if you have it at the top, and places for them to hide on the bottom, they won't bother sucking on the heater.
Not saying i buy that idea, but some of them are pretty vocal about that.
remember, hyps are hotwater plecos, so the heater will be pretty hot if you are maintaining 82-84 degrees.

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Allen I really like your L-333. I am beginning to think I will never get some pleco's I like. All the ones I like... like these and the zebra's the prices continue to increase I will never get any!

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Remember those 333 in the pix are juvies, they are more colorful then adults.
adult 333 will look just like those adult 66.
kind of like mpimbwe vs. samazi.

K9";p="14946 wrote:
Allen I really like your L-333. I am beginning to think I will never get some pleco's I like. All the ones I like... like these and the zebra's the prices continue to increase I will never get any!


tell me what ur price range is for a trio, or a single, and i will suggest types for you.

stripes? spots? mottles? solids?
i mostly know hypancistrus and ancistrus because they are breedable and small.

If you want bigger fish with even more coloration, i can suggest some types for you.
most of the bigger plecos are nearly impossible to breed.

I know Jim sent you some frontosa, he has albino bushynose, get some from him.
those are the best to start off with, they look cool.
once u grow them out and they breed like convicts u will want to try something else.

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Hey, whats up with the numbers? im not much into this part of fishes...

I have the normal Ancistrus that im planning to breed, i like it that the male has the long antennas on tip of the nose when he is bigger.

Ill post you guys some pictures as soon as i have fry to show.


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the numbers is because there are hundreds of species of plecos.
science has only got around to naming a couple.

The zebra is L046, but species name is Hypancistrus zebra.
Zebra have been around along time so it gets a name.
Only so many scientists deal with naming.

Can't use common names, because different collectors will not know what the other guy used and it gets more confusing.
Numbers is the best system, though still numbers get mixed up.

some 333 look like 66.
some 66 will look different than other 66.

so if you want a trio of plecos, its best to get the set at the same time from the same person, because if you get three 66's from 3 people, they may look different.

As far as normal ancistrus bushynose goes.
there is maybe 50 types of bushynose, so there really is not a normal type.
there are currently "common" types.

The common bushynose that everyone breeds CAN'T get a L number or scientific name because its a cross of multiple types. The common bushynose is simply called Ancistrus spp. since its a mixture.
I tell people about that when they claim they hate and don't breed hybrids.
I inform them, ''well those bushynose you sell are hybrids".

Fish world is funny, they pick and choose what is good and bad.

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tr6";p="14962 wrote:
Remember those 333 in the pix are juvies, they are more colorful then adults.
adult 333 will look just like those adult 66.
kind of like mpimbwe vs. samazi.

K9";p="14946 wrote:
Allen I really like your L-333. I am beginning to think I will never get some pleco's I like. All the ones I like... like these and the zebra's the prices continue to increase I will never get any!


tell me what ur price range is for a trio, or a single, and i will suggest types for you.

stripes? spots? mottles? solids?
i mostly know hypancistrus and ancistrus because they are breedable and small.

If you want bigger fish with even more coloration, i can suggest some types for you.
most of the bigger plecos are nearly impossible to breed.

I know Jim sent you some frontosa, he has albino bushynose, get some from him.
those are the best to start off with, they look cool.
once u grow them out and they breed like convicts u will want to try something else.


TR6,
I like the stripe type. I really like the zebra. I'm not interested in breeding them... I would just like to have one or two to watch in a tank. Can't find any zebra around here.

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As i posted the other day, i wanted to breed my ancistrus...

I started by wanteing to catch some of the buggers... they hide very well so i wanted to start with the small caves i placed in the tank (my frontosa tank).

And the first thing i saw in the cave was 1 of my 2 large males... thinking hey nice, then i dont need to catch him.
BUT in the cave where he was sitting i saw that he was not alone! aprox 40 small ancistrus where in there to :shock:

I moved them to another tank so its only them there now, heres a picture of the small buggers eating cucumber.

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Gotta love them, they are really cute! :)

The male and 2 females are now in a breeding tank to see if that will do me any good, if not, i guess its back to frontosa tank ;)


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Once they start breeding they do not stop. I must have more than 500 Albino Bushynose fry right now.

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Got my L 333 today :D

I've got 3 to start with.
Don't know if they are male or female.
How many can i keep in a 40 gallon tank?

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WOW, those are awesome. Lets see if I'm right 1st pic female, 2nd pic. male, 3rd pic female. Tr6 am I correct?

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yep, F, M, F.
got a nice ratio.
good looking fish.

if you put 2 caves on the opposite tank, you should be able to keep 2 males and 4 females.
But depends on the male. Males can be territorial and will sometimes fight to the death.

Best bet is to keep 2 trios of different species in the tank.
Put a trio of bushynose, or a trio of peckoltia, or a trio of a different kind of hypancistrus.
Males of different species tend to ignore each other.

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