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I have a whole bunch of baby Calvus this morning. I'll try to get a pic soon but they are in the cave where the calves bit me. Hey Russ what do I need to know to get good survival. I am going to try to move the cave in to the cyp fry tank....pics when I can. :bananna :bananna :?: :party

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I have a whole bunch of baby Calvus this morning. I'll try to get a pic soon but they are in the cave where the calves bit me. Hey Russ what do I need to know to get good survival. I am going to try to move the cave in to the cyp fry tank....pics when I can. :bananna :bananna :?: :party

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Congrats!

I thought that might be why you got bit :lol:

I hate to say this, but, on your first couple batches: expect to lose most of them. You are at the beginning of a learning curve on a very tough species of fry to raise. There is so much to share - too much to type. You should call me this weekend with a note pad in hand.

For this batch: go get some Hikari First Bites from the LFS (this will help the first week). If you really want to learn how to successfully raise calvus fry then you need to order some Baby Brine Shrimp Eggs from JEHMCO (that will greatly improve survival rates). We can talk from there.

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Please pm me your number and I will call...no Lfs for about 75 miles and the do not carry anything I have freeze dried cyclops to start them on.

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Ordering bs eggs and first bites but it will be mid next week for delivery. I hope they like the cyclops the baby cyps love it. I understand the learning curve bit and hope to get at least a few survivors from this batch. :cheers:

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Ordering bs eggs and first bites but it will be mid next week for delivery. I hope they like the cyclops the baby cyps love it. I understand the learning curve bit and hope to get at least a few survivors from this batch. :cheers:

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No LFS within 75 miles - you'll need to order some salt to in order to hatch the BBS. I use Top Fin Marine Aquarium Sea Salt Mix 7.5 lb. Any Marine Sea Salt will probably work.

We are gonna make you a BBS hatchery. You will need two two liter bottles, an air pump, and a couple air stones (gonna pump air into the two two liter bottles). I'll coach you on the phone, it will be easy.

The reason for BBS shrimp is that they have their egg sac for the first seven hours after hatching. Protein levels, just after hatching, are off the charts :D This makes a HUGE difference in mortality rates. There are other factors that we will discuss too. I'll send my phone number in a PM.

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Russ I need to call you and have you coach me. I have had three batchs of gold heads with 40-50 fry each time. Out of that I have 10 fry that have gotten to about a half inch in length. I have lost a ton of fry. Good luck bassetman the learning curve might have gotten a bit shorter for you with Russ's help.

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Russ I need to call you and have you coach me. I have had three batchs of gold heads with 40-50 fry each time. Out of that I have 10 fry that have gotten to about a half inch in length. I have lost a ton of fry. Good luck bassetman the learning curve might have gotten a bit shorter for you with Russ's help.

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I'd be happy to help JRD. Alto fry can humble the best husbandry attempts. I have had batches of fry with less than 5% mortality.

One other thing, you will need a BBS net

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Brine shrimp hatchery under construction. The fry are eating the dried cyclops and daphnia. No major losses except a few that got scarfed by other calvus. I'll try to call Russ this weekend. We had major snow here last night and I had to make snow men and angels with the kids. It is reaLly hard to get good pics of the fry...they are very active and only 1/8th inch I will try to siphon a few into a Petri dish for some shots this after noon.

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congrats man. hope u got my texts. would have called but i've been sick and i've lost my voice. hope u get a bunch of baby altos.

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Hope you get to feeling better. I got your text but we cannot send them. All the fry seem ok and are eating the cyclopeezeand super fine ground brine shrimp flake. I wish I had a small tank so I could get some snaps....they are in a Rubbermaid tub right now with 2 number 4 sponge filters....I thought they would be bigger, small is not descriptive enough. Get well Ian. :moba

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Few pointers:
- Frequent small feedings, as often as you are able (3x to 5x per day).
- Water change every other day from a low nitrate source tank (5ppm).
- Do not use tap for water changes in the first month. After 1st month, you can start mixing 50% tap (from a reservoir tank) with 50% from low nitrate source tank. Match temps.
- Make sure you vacuum and clean sponge filter at each water change.
- You can vac with a small tube and vac into a white 5 gallon buck - you will have to net fry that got vac'd into the bucket. They will get smart soon enough and avoid the vac. Tank lights off to the side of the tank will disorient them and they will not have the snese to avoid the vac.
- Altolamp fry ARE NOT forgiving - you will loose fry if you don't keep up.
- A couple deaths a couple times a week is normal (but not necessary).
- Sometimes between the 2nd and 3rd week massive die off are common. All is well and then you wake up and half the tank is dead.
- Once you get them to two months of age, they become much more durable.

Low mortality rates (less than 5% are possible) if you are militant at observing the above. One mess up will cost you.

These fish have a super high metabolism (to the point where they do not produce much waste). You have to keep feeding them high protein foods (often) and keep their tank clean.

Hope that helps.

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Success is possible - keep at it and don't get discouraged!

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Gees thanks Russ I did everything wrong and you are right one day a tank full then half if not more dead. Your time line fits what I have experienced.

Joel

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The fry are doing well, I have lost a few I hope to avoid the " big die off" but I will be happy if I get any survivors from this first batch. Here are a couple pics.

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Sorry for the quality but they are the best circumstances allow. :cry:

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some very good info in this thread,very cool and well done.I am looking at breeeding calvus in the future, so this is great stuff


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