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 Post subject: Some useful information about Prime and other conditioners
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I am not trying to endorse a product here, but has some useful information about amonia testing with prime

http://www.seachem.com/Products/product ... monia.html


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Good info, I may get the kit just to see if there is a suprise, but I change water so much and have much more filtration than required I never have ammonia in detectable levels. I've used prime forever and will continue to do so.

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So are they saying that Prime will mask the free NH3 ammonia? I thought Prime was breaking this down and your filter system along with water changes kept this in a safe zone. I am just a bit lost.... HELP me out me!!! :?


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interesting.

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JRD, to the best of my memory it is like this.. Cloramines are Amonia and Chlorine of some sort, it is put there to kill or neautarlize? bacteria, or cysts of some sort which are in water supply which have in the past been linked to cancer. Chloramines are deadly for many fish though because of the Amonia. Many water conditioners don't treat for Chloramine, but the ones that do like Prime actually neautralize it rather than remove it, by essentially encasing it, so it cannot harm the fish. So, what the product article is saying is that the high PH which may test kits use to achieve test results destroys the bond of the prime around the amonia molocules releasing it into the test tube only, hence giving a false reading of Amonia, or more accurately revieling Amonia which is neutralized and not a threat to your beautiful fish.

I think most of us here keep great water, so as Bassetman noted it's not necessarily necessary, but I have seen people scratching their heads over why they are getting Amonia readings after big water changes, and doing everything right so this likely the culprate in some cases and may help us help others in the future. FYI I got the link from a Discus site, pretty amazing the lengths some of those guys and gals go to test any and everything :shock:


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That's good info. And I agree with bassetman as well. I used to check my water all the time. Now I hardly ever check it because I've learned how to maintain clean water. Water changes are key! And to me, Prime is the best stuff out there. I use it on every water change.

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Agreed, regular water changes, prime, occassional epsom salt to keep intenstines clear (especially with our beloved frontosa), and filters cleaned a bit in a bucket of tank water from time to time. I do test about once a month just to be sure things are balanced though. For less experienced keepers or new locations I recommend testing more often, but understanding the tests is key. I have been guilty of misreading a test and causing more harm than good while trying to correct the situation.


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Just as I thought. I am the same way as you me and Marc. I have found what works and I change my water weekly the same way. Prime is the best I have found what works and have stayed with it. I know if I move and go to a different water I will for sure have to test and find out what the new water is like. But no plans to move so I'm good for a while. I know discus people I have talked to are very aware of their water conditions. I guess discus water parameters are circuital.


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Hey me, regarding the cleaning of filters/sponges...I had always heard to only use cycled tank water to rinse them clean. However when purchasing my poret to replace all my cartridges with, I came across a well written article talking about cleaning your sponges with regular tap water. It explained that the low chlorine content in tap water is not enough to destroy the beneficial bacteria colonized in the sponges. Also that the sponge is only exposed to chlorine for a very short time while cleaning, then it's placed back in cycled tank water. Anyway, since reading that article, I've been cleaning all of my filters/sponges with tap water, and I must say it definitely works. It's also a whole lot faster and more effective at cleaning the media.

I understand that it goes against what hobbyists have been told for a long time. Just some food for thought.

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emsquared, you and the article are right, but some places have much more chlorine in their water than others. For example I lived in Mexico for a bit, and the city water had chlorine added once, then the peninsula I lived on had it again. then many communities within the peninsula had it again, and yes even again for actual drinking water sinks inside the homes. Same with the hotel I worked at there it was filtered once more for the hotel, once more for any water that interacted directly with the guests, and again with the actual drinking water sinks. It was something like 4 or 5 times it had been treated before reaching my parched mouth, and it smelled like swimming pool water. My guess would be that this would have been enough to effect it. The way your really supposed to clean your sponges though is to whack them against the side of a bucket, because it gets more gunk out and they last longer... however it's not always practical since it can be quite messy. Sponges last longer doing this than squeezing them though. How you liking the Poret ?


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I usually slap mine in the sink with the water running, then run the water through the sponge to get the loose particles out. Honestly, I think the Poret foam is the best thing since sliced bread, and quite possible cracker jacks as well. It's not expensive, can cut to size to fit in all the HOB and lasts forever. It filters very well. I got the 10 ppm 1 inch blue sheet and can't brag on it enough. It's saved me a ton of money with buying replacement cartridges, buying carbon, and so on.

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Cool beans, I remember listening to Steve Lundblad talking about him or a friend using it for Oscar fry. He was saying it was a game changer because suddenly they could keep huge numbers of oscars in small tanks without losing them.


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What is "Poret Foam"? sound good but never heard of it.

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i'd like to know too, as well as where to get it if it's really that good. does it hold up longer or filter debris better?

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