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 Post subject: Getting new Fronts - Please help and Guide me
PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 11:53 am 
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Hi Friends !!!

A lot has changed and its a real looong story - in short we hit hard times - had sell our home and my fish tanks also :( anyways now I have moved to a different city and I'm planning to find my lost love again - buying Frons again !!!

I'm buying 10 juv (about 1.5 inch) Ikola Fronts from a breeder here and plan to grow them out and keep a few good ones as a colony. For now I have 2 options-

Tank 1 : 2.5 Feet Long x 1 Feet Wide x 1.5 Feet Deep - about 100 Liters - Cycled and operating well with2 internal filters

Tank 2 : 3 Feet Long x 1.5 Feet wide x 2 Feet Deep - about 250 Liters - 68 Gallons - Brand New - Not Cycled again with limited filtration ( just 2 internal filters

Which one of the above can I use as a grown out tank for about an year ? Is it ok if I keep them in the smaller one (Tank 1) for a month or 2 till they settle down a bit or should I just use the new one right from scratch ? I guess the bio load would'nt bee too much of a problem since they are just 10 x 1.5 inch fish for now with weekly water changes...

For substrate I'm gonna use black sand ( my fav )

I'm just worried about filtration in the larger tank as I feel 2 internal filters wont be able to filter 68 gallons of water efficiently enough but considering the low bioload do you think I'm gonna be ok for a few days untill I can afford an external eheim or something ?

Please guide me friends and sorry for too many questions - I'm REAL excited :)
Kush

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Hi Kush, again Welcome back!
you can probably just squeeze by with the 3 foot tank for one year, but the 2.5 foot tank would definitely be too small. If you have the option to have both tanks and put them in the cycled 2.5 that is what I would do, otherwise you need to cycle the 3 foot tank with some guppies or something. I know you know this, but you will need a 5 or 6 foot tank soon after the 1 year period. Especially with Tanzanians since they can be feisty.

I know how much you love Frontosa, but have you ever considered other Tangs like Tropheus? They come in many different colors like this and you could have a breeding colony of 10 or so in that 3 foot tank.

http://www.tropheus.ro/old/files/africa ... 959147.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3kxFQAubVEM/T ... BBemba.jpg
http://www.tropical-fish-pictures.com/f ... -bemba.jpg
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http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=blu ... ORM=IDFRIR
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4KQfTe5McKA/S ... -yavru.jpg

the last one is a duboisi juvenile, the adults are dark with blue faces, but with a good breeding group some adults stay in juvenile color, blue you will have youngsters swimming around. Anyways WELCOME BACK !!!!


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Hi Kush, again Welcome back!
you can probably just squeeze by with the 3 foot tank for one year, but the 2.5 foot tank would definitely be too small. If you have the option to have both tanks and put them in the cycled 2.5 that is what I would do, otherwise you need to cycle the 3 foot tank with some guppies or something. I know you know this, but you will need a 5 or 6 foot tank soon after the 1 year period. Especially with Tanzanians since they can be feisty.

I know how much you love Frontosa, but have you ever considered other Tangs like Tropheus? They come in many different colors like this and you could have a breeding colony of 10 or so in that 3 foot tank.

http://www.tropheus.ro/old/files/africa ... 959147.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3kxFQAubVEM/T ... BBemba.jpg
http://www.tropical-fish-pictures.com/f ... -bemba.jpg
http://www.cichlidforums.com/postimages ... 38-001.jpg
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/97 ... e.jpg/sr=1
http://www.bemazaldagim.com/Upload/9th_ ... ujiji2.jpg
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=blu ... ORM=IDFRIR
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4KQfTe5McKA/S ... -yavru.jpg

the last one is a duboisi juvenile, the adults are dark with blue faces, but with a good breeding group some adults stay in juvenile color, blue you will have youngsters swimming around. Anyways WELCOME BACK !!!!


Thats a great idea - Me !!! Will enquire about Duboisi's availability...

BTW just wanted to ask if it will be feasible if I can grow the fronts in the 68 gallon for a few months and then just retain a colony of 6 or maybe 4 fronts in it ? No ? I know its difficult but you know how much I love Fronts... and the sad thing is that I now live in a rented small house and cant afford or accomodate a larger tank... Pls guide me Me...

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Welcome back. Daves rare Fisf has many different tropheus. and can get many others.http://www.davesfish.com/

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Me great news !!! I just found a source for about 10 Juv Tropheus Duboisis (about 2 ") size - so do you think I should go for them instead ? Maybe fronts can wait ?

Also can I keep the duboisis for life in the 68 gallon tank ? A group of ten would start breeding in the tank right ? Have never ever studied these fish but I AM excited and some thing tells me that I should go for them this time... Pls guide me a little about these fish Me...

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I would like to read more about these fish - pls guide me if you have any links... thanks a lot !

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and sorry for so many questions - really excited for a fishy start - so do the babies stay with the parents ? The others wont kill them ?

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Make sure you read up on tropheus. They are not like frontosa. I know they are a veg type eaters. They are very active. I know they will have fry and they as a rule won't eat them. Your group can grow big over a period of time. There are several color combos and they are very pretty fish. I think a 68 gallon tank will work. I would just be careful as you have young ones you will need to thin the group so that you don't run into an over crowded tank. I hope others who have raised tropheus will weigh in on this and add other important needed info on raising these fish. Good luck and enjoy.


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JRD is very right, the three most important things with Tropheus is that they are strictly vegetarians and should not even be kept with other fish that eat meat since they can eat the waste from these fish and get sick with bloat. Also they like very clean water, and lots of oxygen. Hmm there is one more thing, but I am forgetting.. BUT Here is what you need to read http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/t ... corner.php

I think you are quite capable of keeping Tropheus, but you need to read everything on that link, and ask questions if you don't understand something. I personally have never kept tropheus, but I have read enough and wanted some myself long enough to feel I have a pretty good understanding. I am sure others here have hands on experience too. The diet and clean water is critical, because without it they can die from bloat (all of them). it sounds scary but with some discipline I think they would be great fish for you kush, and yes you could keep them in that tank forever. I've seen groups of 15 in 55 gallons, and some keep as many as 20, but I think 10 is ideal for you because it is your first try, and you don't have allot of filtration.


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Wow these really seem like an interesting fish and you know what - I've cancelled the frontosa order and replaced it with 10 T.Duboisis (hope I'm spelling that right ;) - really new to these fish.

I have a pack of Hikari Cichlid Excell and I'm gonna strictly stick to that and spinach. Not gonna expand the colony since I have less space and low filtration ( for now)

Its really lovely to hear that they wont eat the babies - it would be wonderful to see the babies grow in the tank with adults right ?

Anyways, really excited and looking forward to keeping and caring for these fish...

The only problem that I have is that the water where I live now is REAL bad - full of toxins as its a polluted area. I'll have to use the RO Purified water that we buy for human consumption. Now do I play around with water parameters or should I let it remain stable from the start by keeping them in this clean purchased drinking water ?

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I think you would be better using pure veggie leaf. The Hikari cichlid excel has some meat in it. I know some tropheus keepers do use a tiny bit of meat, but it is not needed, and with absolutely no meat you greatly reduce the chance of bloat. With tropheus, keeping the risk of bloat away is everything, because if once fish gets bloat and dies you will soon have lost half your colony or ALL !! Please be patient kush, and get the tank set up right for the tropheus. You will feel great when you know that it is the perfect habitat for them. I would actually recommend cleaning the tank and doing a fishless cycle with ammonia for the needed two weeks before adding the tropheus, because this way you know there is no poop from the previous fish that the tropheus can pick up and get bloat from. I know you're excited, but read EVERYTHING about Tropheus, and then read it again ;)


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@bassetman Kush is in India, so Daves is not an option. Also he probably will have to search harder for veggie flake or make his own.


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I do not suggest Tropheus for a 3 foot tank. They are very aggressive towards each other, and that is not enough space for them to hide and protect territories. The dominant one will kill the others one by one.
They are best suited for at least a 4 foot tank, and due to having to overstock them to reduce or spread out aggression they have a high bioload, so you need a high gallon 4 footer.
Also, they require very clean water with optimal filtration.

Tropheus are considered an Advanced hobbyist fish, they are not bullet proof like frontosa, even long term keepers have seen full colonies die rapidly.

I don't suggest them to people who have not worked with higher maintenance cichlids.
It often is a very high priced lesson.

On the flipside, Duboisi are the most manageable of the tropheus, they are less aggressive and least susceptable to bloat.

Still, i don't suggest them for that size tank.

Get a colony of multifasciatis or similis and a pair of gold compressiceps, or new world cichlids like blue rams or other apisto's.

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I'm considering a colony of Tropheus Ikola soon. I need to do alot more research though as I don't want to lose a whole colony to problems I could have avoided.

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TR6 definitely has more insight than me on a wide variety of fish. TR6, Kush's experience level aside, I thought maybe due to the overall footprint of the tank "3 Feet Long x 1.5 Feet wide x 2 Feet Deep" he would be OK. I always figure you know what you're talking about, but just wanted to be sure you saw the overall size of the 3 footer. Anyways Kush, if TR6 says it's too small It's too small. I've always liked Neolamprologus multifasciatis personally. They have Character galore. Blue rams are very pretty.


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