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 Post subject: Re: Salt or no Salt?
PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 6:53 pm 
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Backtofront";p="6282 wrote:
If salt "kills ich" then why do powder blue surgeons and regal tangs get it so often???


1. because salt water ich and freshwater ich are not the same organism, though they present the same. Its like saying my stomcach ache has the same cause as yours. They look the same but are very different organisms.

2. Its not really salt killing the ich, its the temperature. what salt does is help with auto osmoregulation.
what this means is that a freshwater fish is salty in its body, saltier then the freshwater it lives in.
since solutions want to equalize, the outside water is trying to steal the fish's salt.

Saltwater fish have the opposite problem. Saltwater is saltier then the ocean fish's body, so saltwater fish are trying to keep the ocean water out of its body. So when a saltwater fish is sick, it helps to make the water LESS salty for a time by placing a saltwater fish in a freshwater bath and to lower the salt concentration of the water they live in.

Its osmoregulation that placing salt in freshwater helps with. Actually not just sodium chloride, but in african cichlids, all the important minerals like calcium and magnesium too.

placing freshwater fish in a saltwater bath, or increasing the salt concentration will help osmoregulation and kill many pathogens. Doubtful salt itself will kill Ich because of its cell structure, but the heat will over time.

salt water in the case of ICH helps with the osmoregulation, thus bringing down the stress level for the fish, while it recovers from the ICH infestations and the heat kills the ICH.


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When I do water changes and add salt for any reason. I always do a follow up water change the next day with freshwater.


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I never use salt and they seem to be just fine.
I might use it when they are sick.
The only thing i use is a watercoditioner when i do my weekly waterchange.

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I started using salt in all my tanks about 8 months ago and have not had a disease since. Don't know if it is the salt or if I am just getting better at this fish keeping thing. :?


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what amount per gallon do u use??


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Ozz im not sure what is right, i just dont use to much, wont take any chances.

Last night i added 100g for my 118 gallon.
I have a few fish that had some smal bruses after the movement.
It seems to help.

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I add about a tblspn of salt every 10 gallons.... I never get sick fish (knocks on wood). I read online once it was good for stress on the fish... having a 5 yr old daughter running around my house, figured I should try it.... never had a problem. soooo.... why not use salt? its cheap, it lessons stress, helps reduce sickness, and Im pretty sure the water in Lake tanganyika has small amount of salt.


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Im pretty sure the water in Lake tanganyika has small amount of salt.
[/quote] Who told you that?!....I use a teaspoon of salt per 5 gallons if it's staying in there, just be careful when doing water changes though...If a lot of water has evaporated and then you do a WC, you'll be adding more salt than you intended as the salt concentration is the same even when your water has evaporated so doing a WC with more salt will be making it too salty, i know what i mean anyway!!!


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One more thing, if i'm not mistaken, doesn't salt thin the mucus coating on the Fish slime?...Why not use salt???...That might be one reason?


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chiligum";p="18894 wrote:
One more thing, if i'm not mistaken, doesn't salt thin the mucus coating on the Fish slime?...Why not use salt???...That might be one reason?
I could be really off but, I was always under the impression that salt helped produce body slime for healing, I have used salt in my tanks for many years with good results


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I haven't read the whole trend so i'll just shoot some question here.

1. what is Salt Salinity?
2. and how it affect the Water and the Fishes?
3. what is the salinity of ordinary rocksalt from the market?
4. if they say the SALT were 99% salinity - what does it means?
5. would you recommend to used it? hows the dosage?
6. when or why should i use it?

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i have been involved with this same arguement with my brother & my best friend for years but it all comes down to personal choice at the end of the day because they use salt and i dont over the years they have lost fish and i have not we all live in the same city,do water changes a couple of days apart and use the same water conditioners and our fronts came from the same supplier the only diffrence is once again they use salt and i dont.


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I use Seacheam Cichlid Lake Salt in my tanks. I believe using salt helps in many ways but you dont have to use it. Been adding salt to freshwater tanks over 20 years now but just a little though.


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I had always used salt for many years and only within the last year have stopped using it. My Front tanks are pretty stable and I don't see a need for it at this time. I am experimenting on a few things for myself and might go back to using salt.

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Salt is great for nitrite poisoning. It helps prevent the gills from absorbing nitrites. Salt is actually an irritant to freshwater fish. Freshwater fish produce more slime to as a result of being exposed to salt. This in turn will help freshwater fish shield off parasites and other disease. Fungus is also not very tolerant of salt.

Dose for salt is 2 tablespoons/10 gallons.

I use salt in my African tanks, but not on my South American fish, which require softer water.

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