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Ich is present at all times and highly prevalent in aquarium fishes It takes an activating circumstance for it to become active. I E Water quality temperature changes, stress, coming into contact with an infected fish. I have always used salt in my cichlid tanks and have never had an ich problem in them. In my early years I had lost many a community fish to the disease but mostly due to error on my part by not following proper care procedures. When initially treating for ich it is a good idea to LOWER the temperature in the tank as ich grows more slowly below 79 degrees and is most succeptible to treatments in lower temperature water as the treatment time is extended due to the slower developement of the disease.

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Here is a bunch of information on ich ich information

The only time I had ich was in a live bearer tank a very long time ago and I used the salt method and heat. At say 86F ich can't reproduce so it breaks the lifcycle in the tank if you catch it quick enough. Medication might be a better tratment for frontosa as I'm not sure they would tolerate 86F very well. Salt also deters ich amd can be used as a tratment in itself, but combined with heat works pretty well if you can't get the comercal meds that are better hands down. but can cost a lot for say 800+ gallons of water like I'm running.

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I was always told that if you use salt all the time, and IME, it doesn't really work as a preventive, a preventive would be good housekeeping and clean water....

But...I think if you use salt continuously, they can be come immune and then when you really need it ~ it might not work....? Experts can chime in, but this is what I always was led to believe ~

Oh, and ICH is caused by inconsistent temps; warm then cold, then warm.


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For ick in freshwater I've tried Aquari-sol by Aquarium Products. Works pretty good. The only time I've really used salt in freshwater is for a type of anti-septic like when there is eye damage or fin breakage. Signs of fighting or running into something.


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Wow. Lots of different opinions. Thanks for all the ideas. Either way, I used Melafix and salt, and my fish are looking great now. I didn't change my temperature; it stays at about the same always - 78 to 79. I don't know what they'd get stressed out about, unless it was my capturing my holding female, removing her for a while, then returning her 2 weeks later. Who knows?? Everybody happy as clams now, from all appearances. :wink:


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SweetPoison";p="4076 wrote:
I a preventive would be good housekeeping and clean water....


Keeping clean water is #1 for avoiding most diseases. Thats why I setup a drip water change system, ensure my water is always top quality (well water so worry about chlorine/chloramines).

Quarantine any new fish in separate system also. I personally use nothing in my tanks,just well water. I also keep my tanks cooler then most at 75F

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Bitterman, Great to hear you have set up the drip method, I assume you do not have to do regular water changes, right? Except for cleaning bottom of tank=syphon. I have the equipment for setting it up and I am on very good quality well water, but have never got around to doing it. Your fish must really look magnificent. If I remember you have to connect it to the sink, and now that my tank is located in a room that would put the plumbing in a traffic area. Good to hear some one is doing it!! One other point when med for ick, you must be carefull what you use if you have cats or scaleless fish, like my eels would be a problem.


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BobSD";p="4283 wrote:
Bitterman, Great to hear you have set up the drip method, I assume you do not have to do regular water changes, right? Except for cleaning bottom of tank=syphon.

Yes I still syphon the tank botton about 1-2 times a month. I find with the higher turnover of water I get less buildup. My tanks runs at zero nitrates most the time. If they start to creap up its normally I need to clean my filter media in my trickle filter.

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I have the equipment for setting it up and I am on very good quality well water, but have never got around to doing it.


The only thing that has changed is I no longer have a pump as the sump is drilled and the water now drains directly to the sump pump hole in my basement.
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Thanks :) maybe the high ph helps that out? it is around 9.18

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If salt "kills ich" then why do powder blue surgeons and regal tangs get it so often???

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I am new to Fronts and have used salt from the start. Hey, I noticed you are in Plano. I am just north of McKinney. Looking for fellow Frontosa enthusiasts in the area. The wife and I are raising some Kigomas, and will be looking for a nice male in about 6 months. Any contacts you can hook us up with?

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I've seen this debate "TO SALT, OR NOT TO SALT" go on & on for as long as I've been a hobbyist (1989) & I've seen it get heated over the years, with no real concensus on the matter.

Leads me to believe that using a salt mixture isn't a harm to my fronts & I've been doing it for so many years now that unless I see that what I'm doing is broken, I don't blame to try to fix it, just to be changing something for changing's sake.

I also don't down anyone else for doing what works for them, if it's not widely known throughout the trade, to be a harmful to fish.

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What amount per gallon do u guys recommend for salt??


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Salt should only be used to treat wounds from fighting. I know it is a touchy subject , but after reasearching it and reading so many "con" salt articles, I stopped using it altogether, accept as treatment. You can buffer your water (something salt does not do), with crushed coral, lava rock or holey rock. This keeps the ph constant and increases the hardness in a consistent manner that is less stressful on your fish.


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