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 Post subject: Salt or no Salt?
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I used to add salt every time I did a water change till I read somewhere that Lake Tanganyika is not salty and that Frontosas don't need it in their water. I stopped using salt with my water changes about 6 weeks ago, and I do 25% to 30% water changes weekly to 10 days in my 110 gal tank. I also clean my filters out every couple of months, along with disposing of filters when they're not looking too great. I alternate rinsing the filter media between 2 Emperor 400 filters whenever I do my water changes too. I only use charcoal to remove medication as a rule, unless I have a new filter to install. I leave the charcoal in the filter for about 4 to 6 weeks, then empty it out and continue using the filter media for another 3 or 4 water changes.

I noticed 2 days ago that 2 of my females have a few white spots on their bodies and on one of their fins. It sure looked like a fungus of some sort, so I started Melafix in the tank. I've never had this sort of problem in 3 years when I used salt.

Anyone out there have comments about their use of salt in their tanks on a regular basis?


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Salt Is the way to go. If the fish have white spots it is probably Ich or something similar. The salt kills the Ich so I would treat them for parasites and return to the salting process.

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This doesn't appear to be ich. I've had ich in the past, and it's lots of tiny specks. These spots are just a couple on the sides of 2 of the females and one that is sort of fluffy on the fin of one. That's why I thought it was a fungus. I'm going to add salt tonight.


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My question to you is why fix it when it ain't broke? Probably your fishes are now trying to adjust without the regular water chemistry. That is why I keep my routine boring...no changes no surprises.


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The only time I ever add salt to my frontosa tank is when there is something wrong. I would add salt if I was you. A picture will help us. It could also be battle wounds from them fighting, so salt will help them from getting a fungus on them.

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Thank you for the input. I'll see if the spots are still there and get some pictures. They must not be too bothered by whatever this is, since my smallest female spawned and is holding for her 3rd day. She's never held eggs for very long though, so it'll be interesting to see if she can figure out how to take care of her eggs.


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Do you use salt in your tanks, Jo Jo? (It's me - Helen) Did you see my comment about my smallest female holding for her 3rd day? She looks like a chipmunk.

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My question to you is why fix it when it ain't broke? Probably your fishes are now trying to adjust without the regular water chemistry. That is why I keep my routine boring...no changes no surprises.


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I use the cichlid buffer recipe from CF.
So Epsom and sea salt and baking soda.
I rarely use aquarium salt.

I am glad that she finally is getting the hang of it.
Just bought another colony of WC mpimbwe, Helen. I missed those guys so much I started another colony :o)


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We'll see. She's on her 3rd day for holding. She held 3 days last time, then she lost them, swallowed them, or something. :roll:

What is the recipe you mentioned? How much of each for the epsom salt, sea salt, and baking soda? Why is it better? Do you replace it each time you do a water change? :?:

I'm glad you found some more mpimbwe. Let me know if you hear of anyone selling a single female big enough to go with my group.


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This article might help Rift Lake Buffer Recipe

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Thanks for the link. The information is great to have. I'm still confused about the article I read regarding Lake Tanganyika's lack of salt though. Why include salt for a fish that doesn't come from water that has a salty makeup? I understand adding it for parasites, but why include it daily for Frontosas, unless it's for a preventative measure. My Plano, TX water is already hard and Jo Jo lives in Plano too, so his water would be the same.


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ladyslider";p="3969 wrote:
Thanks for the link. The information is great to have. I'm still confused about the article I read regarding Lake Tanganyika's lack of salt though. Why include salt for a fish that doesn't come from water that has a salty makeup? I understand adding it for parasites, but why include it daily for Frontosas, unless it's for a preventative measure. My Plano, TX water is already hard and Jo Jo lives in Plano too, so his water would be the same.


To be honest I don't use it, but if you are using sea salt mix it has other trace elements in it that are good for your fish and thats why people use it. Additionally it promotes healing and does decrease the chance of ich as ich does not like salt and can be used as a treatment in higher levels along with temperature.

I can't remember what effect on GH/KH salt has... Its been so long since I used that recipe and catered it to the city water in my area, I have forgot what effect everything had on the water parameters.... When we moved into our house the well water had a PH of 9.18 and GH and KH were both off the chart, so I add nothing to my tanks any more, other then the occasionally add salt for good measure if a fish gets an abrasion from a fight and every couple a months I add epson salts to help clean the fish out to avoid digestive track issues.

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Thanks again. Fish don't get ich out of nowhere, do they? Isn't it brought in with new fish? Or is it stress related?


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There are rift lake salts available that help increase water hardness, so there are several benefits to salting the waters. Just do not over do it!


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Oh forgot to address your ick question, one way ick can establish itself in your tank ,is by your tank temp dropping too low!! Run down fish can get ick but I am sure your fish are healthy!


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