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I have always had gravel or coral bottoms in my tanks. I am thinking about setting up a new tank with sand. I want to know if you can vacuum the bottom or does the vacuum pull up the sand. When I do water changes I usually stick the vacuum into the gravel or coral sucking up all the garbage caught under the substrait.

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You would still use your vac. Just hover the vac above the sand so it's not pulling up the sand, just the debris. You will suck up some sand though no matter how careful you are.

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Do you stir up the sand before vacuuming?

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I have sand in several tanks. emsquared19 is right you can skim the top sucking up any loose stuff. But you need from time to time to suck / stir the sand as it can build up gas as it gets trapped as sand is so dense the gas has a hard time escaping. You will suck up a little sand but it is the nature of the beast.

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Picking up some of the pool filter sand to day. Hopefully I will get to set everything up this weekend. I will let you know how it goes.

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with larger grained sand like pool filter sand you can still vacuum it a bit. just be quick about it so you don't suck the sand all the way up the vac tube. fine sand is a pain in my opinion. really difficult not to suck it up. you have to get the hang of hovering it over the sand at the right height. i really don't care for it.

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Like the other have said, just hover above the sand with a siphon tube. It will still pick up the muck without the sand. I either do that or just get a largish net and just swish back and forth which causes the muck to lift and just scoop it all up if I'm being lazy.

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Play sand what a mess!!! So my tank looks great now but I don't think I would recommend play sand to anyone. It came "prewashed" so I didn't think I had to wash it again. When I first filled that tank after adding the play sand my tank looked like a mud puddle.

I waited for it to settle over night but nothing happened so I drained and refilled my tank 6 times to clear the water. I lost 2 mbimbwes and all my clown loaches in the process.

If anyone else wants a sand bottom I would highly recommend paying extra for the pet store stuff.

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The best part though is I had my little help by my side the whole day. I was surprised how dedicated she was. 2.5 years old and she didn't get bored or distracted at all. I told her she is the best bucket filler I ever had helping me.

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Picking up some of the pool filter sand to day. Hopefully I will get to set everything up this weekend. I will let you know how it goes.

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I thought you were picking up pool filter sand. If I knew you were getting play sand I would have told you don't do it even though they say it is washed just a slight rinse to wash the big dirt stuff out. Sorry you lost some fish. Not a good weekend it sounds like. :(


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Yeah play sand is a PITA! I use pool filter sand and while you still have to pre rinse it before puting it in the tank, it goes in nice and clean with no clouding.


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Picking up some of the pool filter sand to day. Hopefully I will get to set everything up this weekend. I will let you know how it goes.

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I thought you were picking up pool filter sand. If I knew you were getting play sand I would have told you don't do it even though they say it is washed just a slight rinse to wash the big dirt stuff out. Sorry you lost some fish. Not a good weekend it sounds like. :(


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Yeah I was going to use pool sand. Since I live in Upstate NY and its not quite pool season nobody had it in stock. I was a little zealous to get it done this weekend because I rarely have time to do it. Some people recommended the play sand so I thought eh why not. guess I should have waited.

It wasn't a horrible weekend just had some frustrations. Living and learning I guess.

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I have a sand bottom. I use CaribSea's aragonite select sand. It's one size up from their sugary size aragamax sand.

I do something different that has given me good results. I have 2 6080 Tunze Streams that are controlled by an auto timer. They kick on 4x daily for 15 minute cycles. They cause a tornado with strong currents. Since sand is super dense, fish poop and the smallest bits of unbeaten food stay on top. The current gently sweeps the sand and gunk to either of my 2 2217 eheims located at either end of my 6 foot 180g tank.

I haven't vacuumed my sand since around 2006. The extra current doesn't interrupt or affect their spawning either.

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Ron it looks like a tornado in the tank. This doesn't stress your fish out with it coming on 4 times a day?


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Ron it looks like a tornado in the tank. This doesn't stress your fish out with it coming on 4 times a day?


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No stress at all. Sometimes they hide. Other times they like to ride the current.

Since they are on an auto-timer it's part of a daily routine for them. They aren't bothered around spawning time either.

I know a few fish keepers that are using smaller powerheads on timers with good results. I think the worst thing to do would be to do kick them on randomly and only a few times a week or month. I think the fish would scatter.

Your substrate can't be too light or you will have a sandstorm going and if the sand is drawn into your filters your impellers could be damaged. My eheims have the impellers on top so they are not harmed since incoming water is drawn into the bottom of the filters.

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