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ladyslider,

You do not need to worry about the ph when making this switch. Black sand can be found in the larger pet stores. I use a product called black beauty. Generally sells for about $1 per pound.

If you are not using an under gravel filter then sand is most certainly a better substrate than gravel.

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Thank you for the tips. I have a 110 gal tank. Any suggestions regarding amount to purchase? Is the black sand very expensive? Would it cause problems with my Emperor 400 filters? Someone stated on another site that sand played havoc with their filters. I guess it can get under the impeller. Does that sound logical?


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I was concerned about the bacteria balance more than the PH.

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ladyslider,

You do not need to worry about the ph when making this switch. Black sand can be found in the larger pet stores. I use a product called black beauty. Generally sells for about $1 per pound.

If you are not using an under gravel filter then sand is most certainly a better substrate than gravel.


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I cut the intake pipe on my on my so it was about 6 inchs from the sand. I do get some sand in my emperor once in awhile, but over all it works great. If you have a cocern about you bacteria just add some cycle to it when you change your sand. Also keep your bio wheels wet when you do this. That is where most your bio is for your tank. You should save as much water from your tank as you can when you make this change. Saving your water and keeping your bio wheels wet should be enough.

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For a 110 gal. tank, how much sand would be best to purchase? I'm thinking five 20 lb. bags. Does that sound like too much or ??


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I think 60 lbs. will be more than enough. I only used 50 in my 100gl for my Morrii's. You can buy 80lbs, and take back the extra bag if you don't need it.

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I have Texas holey rock that is pretty big and heavy. How many inches do you think I need to have in order to cushion the rock? I get nervous about having rocks touch the bottom glass and causing a crack. :?:


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I've seen alot of folks using that white plastic egg crate like material under there sand to protect the bottom glass....

and I would say at least 2 inches for looks and effectiveness....

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PS...I know about the sand that was mentioned earlier in this thread. It's called sugar sand and it's very fine and light, it gets stirred up easily by active swimmers and will reek havoc on the impellers of just about any filtration system.

PSPS...I am also cichlidfan on the Houston Fish Box and you can read about the egg crate and the sugar sand there too...

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i love the black sand to
cept i think im going to go with a mix between blue silica sand and that black carib sea sand
i like the carib sea and is what i have in with my little kigs at the moment !!
i 2 will never get gravel again because all my fish love digging in the sand and sifting threw it
even my non frontosa haha

but the reglar silica sand wont hurt anything will it?
i dont want to hurt my precious new mpimbwe's that im getting on thursday!!!
and i dont care what you all think lol i am putting them in a 5' 120g from marine land
but i will most deffinatly be upgrading in the future
i love getting new fish. its like im buying myself a present that i enjoy sooooo much haha
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Nice tank! I would plan to change my white sand to darker blue/black sand soon. Cichlidgirl you have a really nice tank!! Cool!


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Nice tank! I would plan to change my white sand to darker blue/black sand soon. Cichlidgirl you have a really nice tank!! Cool!


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Hey Sue, very nice tanks (as usual) and great color on your fronts. JK, do you still have trouble with brown algae? I hate the stuff and have gone to war with it (really tightened up my maint procedures: vacumming, filter cleanings & not over feeding). Have you beat it yet?


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As usual CG, ( & maybe I oughta just say DITTO...lol) the tank & the fronts look nice.

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Allen";p="3597 wrote:
ladyslider,

You do not need to worry about the ph when making this switch. Black sand can be found in the larger pet stores. I use a product called black beauty. Generally sells for about $1 per pound.

If you are not using an under gravel filter then sand is most certainly a better substrate than gravel.


sorry i did not see this sooner.

i'd not use black beauty!
black beauty is slag from the manufacturing of copper.
it has a ton of copper and iron that leach out in tank water.
not good for tanks.
we have known this for years and most will advise against it.
toxic stuff.

i use black slate, which does not leach out toxic metals.
if you can't find black slate, look for 3M black quartz.
its also non toxic.
next would be black painted sand.

but stay away from toxic black beauty.
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Interesting.

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