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Ok this is a continuation of a thread which me and Anthony Hijacked so I decided to move it appropriately to this section.

First thanks for the explanation, that was pretty much what I figured. I always kinda thought, well hey doesn't any filtration become biological in time whenever I heard the phrase. So basically this is sorta both or rather can be both, but it is definitely moving the water through allot faster than a drip down system.

By footprint I mean the actual space it takes up at the base. easiest example would be a 6 foot x 12 inch tank has a 6 cubic foot print. I don't know the exact footprint of my stock tank or any of my tanks for that matter, but basically you want to be sure it's at least equal to a 5 or 6 foot tank for fronts, but also be sure it is at least 4ft in one of the directions. In my short time keeping front this is what I have figured from my experience and reading others.. 55 gallon 4 ft tank NO. 3 ft x 3 ft NO. 4ft x 20in Maybe for a quad (group of 4) 5 ft x 12 Maybe ok for a quad. 4ft x 3ft... hmmm curiously seems to work well for my 8 mpimbwe despite their reputation for aggression. Lol, buuuut I know I am pushing it and probably a bit lucky. Originally I had only 5 mpimbwe in it, and truthfully would recommend not going over 6. Also if my power failed, and I didn't notice I may really be in trouble because of the number of fish versus oxygen. But again, I don't know if you can get them their but the brand I have is called Tuff, and they had a 150 gallon which was something like a 4ft x 4ft circle. How cool would that be!?You could sit in there with them comfortably :lol: I guess I could too, if I ask them politely to all move to one side for a second. But considering their tendencies to bite my fingers... maybe not a great idea :shock:


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LOL at the whole bottom part!!! Now if you'd asked them to move over a bit, and they listened, you would have me sold on the Mpimbwe lol

But now that you explained what you have, i have seen some of those down here for sale. I really might look into one for the corner of the room were my tanks all are. They look like a great idea for nice little colony of fronts, and very affordable. If you don't mind posting pics of the one you have that would be great.

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They may listen, or just start biting my feet thinking they must hold even more food than my hands !

I will post a tank shot in a few minutes here, I want vacuum the sand first as it is pretty poop covered after overfeeding them during my hand fed pic session last night.


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lol ok sounds good

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K, here we go. Just so you know I am all about overkill when it comes to pics. I kinda wanted to show you also though how they are always pretty much chillin together. They were chasing eachother a bit this morning, and I think it can be seen in one of the pics a bit, but they always go right back to chillin after less than 2 or 3 seconds of chasing. The last two are to give you an idea of the whole foot print and show you what I mean about this one not being tapered nearly as much as the rubbermaids.

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Oh, and sorry about the messy carpet, it's mostly crushed coral from a small tank which had a mishap awhile back.. Oh yea, and as shown it is "Tuff Stuff" Not just "Tuff" as I previously said.


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Thats an awesome idea me! I see what your saying now about the foot prints. How big is that one that you have? 4x5?

and how do you keep that heated? With a regular heater?

I'm really think about getting one in a couple months to keep a small colony of a different variant. Thats an awesome idea, and I can imagine much more affordable compared to buying a 6ft tank and stand.

So really!! lol once I get this 125G tank running with some Bismarks and get my other 125 going I'm going to really consider getting me one. Maybe for some fronts or maybe even to put a whole bunch of Vics(my favorite vics the Paralabidochromis chromogynos) What you think...

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if you go to a koi store, thats usually what they keep them in, they got a 350 gallon size, but they use that size too for the smaller ones.

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Hey Anthony,

I measured it, and actually at the top it is just 4ft x 3ft, a bit smaller than i thought. So the footprint is even slightly smaller. If I had to do it again I would go the next size up just because of how many Mpimbwe I have. But if your doing 6 or less I think this size should work out fine. I use a Rena smart heater (300w) it never stays suctioned to the wall for more than a day or two, but it stays more or less where I want it. It's worth noting I use two baby gates to put on top of this most the day to avoid jumpers ending up on the floor. The Mpimbwe don't jump very often, but I have heard them hit the baby gates a few times since the beginning. Of course you could use something more attractive than baby gates.


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lol ya I was wondering if you ever had a jumper :)

I also use rena heaters, I really like them and they've never failed on me! I also think they don't look to bad like most other heaters.

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Hi me. What's the height of your tuff stuff tub? Looks like a good idea, but maybe hard to tell if a fish has a tube or is holding. What are you using for filtration?


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Hi Sailfin,

It is 20" high, though I usually have it only filled to about 15 inches just because the floor in that room is not up to code as I learned when I went under the house to check stability for my 150 tank. :roll: As for holding, I had this same concern until last week when I could clearly see two separate females holding. I would definitely not see a tube down though ;)

Filtration is now 2 fluval 3plus internals and one Hyrdo type sponge. It's a bit over 600gph total right now. I got my spawns in about 1 week after pointing both fluvals up. Ie I probably had spawns before but because of too much current washing away milt they never held long enough for me to see. Also as far as holding goes, the first thing I saw was a female not eating.


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to see if your females are holding, couple of options.

I'm sure you could make a simple periscope contraption with PVC pipe and mirrors.
maybe even find one for sale on ebay.

Other option is an underwater camera, then you can see this video.........

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tr6";p="19968 wrote:
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Other option is an underwater camera, then you can see this.........



Still trying to sell that housing TR6!? Jk :lol: I have actually taken some underwater pics in this tank using a cheap digital in a couple sealed ziplocks it works surprisingly well. I don't recommend this if you care about your camera or can't afford to lose it. But mine was $10 at a thrift shop. I single bag would work, but hey $10 is still $10. It is not the easiest to spot the holding females without looking under the water, but it is possible. A flashlight almost parallel with the water helps. But I tried to limit that cause of the stress factor. Someday I will pic up a housing for my DV cam.


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yep.
got too many underwater cameras.
gotta move some.

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